Monday, August 13, 2018

Love: It's a natural emotion!

Hello my baby, glad that I caught you
Staring at the idiot box. 
Your love life is in the rot.
You're sittin' there on your... nice sofa. 

Love can be 'ell, I know all too well I'm
wanted by every lass. 
Trust me when I say it's a pain in the...

~Michigan J. Frog - 1994 WB Television Ad

Okay but in all seriousness let's get to the discussion.

Love is quite a complex emotion, isn't it? Basically it's feeling a strong affection for some one or some people, and yet people have the hardest time knowing what to do about it. Love has been portrayed in the Thomas & Friends TV show on occasion, the biggest example being that between Thomas and Ashima the Indian Engine, and while the chemistry build-up could have been done better the pair really show a strong affection for one another, and it's rather sweet.


Close bonds have also been portrayed between engines and coaches, Thomas and Annie & Clarabel, and Toby and Henrietta being prominent (and perhaps the only) examples presented. Even the Rev. W. Awdry acknowledged that engines can show love for their friends:




Despite this, there's been in uproar of angry protesters concerning one of the latest episodes: Rosie is Red. For those of you not in the know Rosie is Red is a Season 22 episode that focuses on Rosie and Thomas. On Valentine's Day Rosie is bullied at the docks by Diesel. Thomas comes to her defense but it gives the little demon bees, Bill and Ben, an opportunity to harass him, exaggerating his affection for her into something more romantic. You know the drill: the Sittin' Neath the Tree routine and all that. For the remainder of the day Thomas and Rosie come up with excuses to avoid each other until at the every end when they face each other and their discomfort to own up and resolve the issue by agreeing that they are "just friends". Also we finally get to see Lady Hatt again as Sir Topham Hatt gives her a kitten as a Valentine's Day gift.


Now why would such a simple story line as this cause a riot amongst fans? Well the most common complaint is that "trains can't love". Well, real trains with no faces, maybe, but anthropomorphic trains? Even after all the examples given, are fans still adamant that Thomas and his friends can't express love? If you missed the title of this blog post LOVE is a natural emotion, any character can feel it. Many of the engines have expressed sorrow, anger, envy, frustration, sympathy, cheekiness, and spite, so why can't engines express love? People put up a fight by saying that it's something that Rev. Awdry would never approve of? Well, who's to say what the Reverend would say concerning your own personal opinion? Wilbert Awdry would probably not give a twopence about it since he did acknowledge that engines feel affection for their coaches, as shown above in his story Thomas and the Guard. He states that, and I quote: "Thomas loves them very much".

Someone once tried to object to this by saying that Thomas's love for Annie and Clarabel is more akin to that of someone's love for a hairbrush, which a rather pathetic attempt for an excuse to dissuade the clear and obvious fact, if you'll permit me to say so. I write an example of a description of someone loving their hair brush:

"I love my hairbrush" Jojo said, "It really makes my hair all smooth and straight."

Now here is Awdry's example of Thomas loving Annie and Clarabel.

As they run backwards and forwards along the line, Thomas sings them little songs, and Annie and Clarabel sing too.

If one were to liken an affection for two characters to that for an object that would totally change the context. Thomas would probably only like them for something that concerns their function, such as their comfort for passengers, or running very smoothly. Now of course these qualities would be essential given that they are passenger stock but we're addressing Annie and Clarabel as characters, we're NOT analyzing their purpose! Annie and Clarabel keep Thomas company, they sing songs with him, they give him support, and chastise him when he's being too cocky. Thomas even races across the entire island to rescue them when Charlie idiotically put them onto Caitlin's express train. If that's not true devotion for your friends, I don't know what is.



If you were to walk up to a close female companion (whether it be your girlfriend or wife or someone) and you said to them "I only like you because you're good at [insert cooking, cleaning, drawing, clothing, etc.]" or "I really like you, you're like a [insert household object] to me" the only things you're going to receive from them are a smack in the face, the cold shoulder, a turn on the heel, and the back of them as they leave you without so much as a glance back at you. Why? Because they'd feel insulted, used and unappreciated. They don't wan't to be treated like a servant or an object, let alone being objectified. Complimenting looks alone won't get you a good relationship either. A man has to acknowledge how their companion treats them, get in on the playful teasing, appreciate their support when feeling down, stand up for each other when being confronted, be there for each other when they really need it. Sure they'd feel thankful if you compliment them for a tasty meal and for how splendid they look on the night of a party, after all the hard work and effort they put into preparation but one has to acknowledge their companion for who they are and how they act in certain situations. I'm pretty sure Annie and Clarabel wouldn't appreciate it if Thomas were to compare them to a hairbrush when he says how much he loves them: HE DOESN'T EVEN USE A HAIRBRUSH!!!!


In fact what affection would any train vehicle have for any hand-held object? A person can like an item but it's usually based on preference only. You have an affection for a person but it's due to behavior, interests, talents, skills, and treatment. An engine has no use for any hand-held object so why should it care about such a thing? Now an engine may like a particular water-tower but, again, it's based on preference: maybe the water tastes better from that water-tower in question. If you can't identify the difference between an affection towards an item and the affection for a fellow companion you've obviously been deprived of common knowledge and outside experience. I can assure you that having spent as much time as I've had around my female classmates I know what I'm talking about and I'm man enough to admit it.

The other complaint concerning this episode is that it's a generic storyline. True it is a story we've all heard before: boy likes girl, gets teased about it, said pair tries to avoid each other, but eventually they cross paths again and resolve their problems in the end. It's something that happens in real life as well, I know I've had such an experience. But here's the thing: this is the first time this sort of issue is addressed in Thomas & Friends at all. It's been done before in other TV franchises and I'm sure many of you will have seen those particular episodes before but you need to take other people into consideration. For some children Thomas & Friends is the first TV series they'll have seen, for a few Thomas & Friends may be the only TV series they can watch, and because of that this episode tackling said issue may be the first time they'll learn about said issue and what to do about it. How else are they supposed to learn about it, Dora the Explorer? Yeah right! You have to remember that the series aren't being catered to you as an individual, it's being catered to a WORLD-WIDE audience. WORLD-WIDE!!! Think about that!

And at the very least they resolved the issue at the end of the episode in a unique way: they just clarify that they're just friends and nothing more than that. In a way it works: Rosie's the younger tank engine who idolizes Thomas and wishes to be like him; Thomas finds it an annoyance but he agrees that Rosie can be a big help at times. They're more like the younger sister who looks up to her big brother who doesn't want anything to do with her but eventually realizes the value in having her around. Some people call this episode a copy of fan-fiction but usually fan-fiction would pair the two together romantically in the end. It's not a fan-service and it's not meant to be, it's an aid for children to know what to do when conflicted with certain feelings and friends. Besides other stories would go the full generic way and call for the two leads admitting their love for each other and pucker up. Me: I didn't get the girl in the end. Heck I never even got an embrace, let alone a kiss, my crush left before High School.

That brings up an interesting point: what if people are lashing out at this episode because they've been through this situation before and don't want to relive it through a cartoon episode because it reminds them of how difficult the experience was? Or maybe it approaches a more romantic aspect of the show and that people just don't want to see that because they've been deprived of romance, either by being turned down by their crushes or their parents never showing them any affection whatsoever. Or perhaps it's influence: they've watched too many violent films and played too many shooter games that instilled in them a hatred for the enemy or the other person and they project that out in real life. What ever the case may be it still presents the obvious: the heart and mind have not been developed properly. There's a very fine balance between emotion and intellect and if one wants to have a good relationship they have to learn how to develop the two equally and properly. If one were to develop their heart more, they might not become smart, but if one were to develop their mind more, they become callous. There needs to be a balance and I find that their are very few people who are capable and knowledgeable of how to do so. So I encourage everyone to get off of your screens and go out into the world and find love, because at this time, we're going to need a lot of it in order to survive.

Sunday, April 15, 2018

Lady's existence is threatened.. again!

As many of you are aware, the full-scale prop of Lady was found last year in Los Angeles and Restore the Magic and us Thomas fans worked together to raise enough money to fund for her restoration and transportation.
The Full-scale prop in pristine condition

The Prop as discovered

Eric Scherer, of the Restore the Magic Group, created the GoFundMe campaign to raise the money needed, and Robert Kozul, who found Lady, has been taking care of her for the past few months. Unfortunately there has been severe issues with arose within the past couple of months and it has put the prop in danger of being disassembled and trashed. Here's the situation:

Eric Scherer lives in Orlando, Florida and as such cannot provide responsibilities for Lady as she is located in Los Angeles, California. Robert Kozul, on the other hand, is based in California, and as such, has generously taken on the responsibilities for securing the prop, relocating her to a proper storage facility and finding a restoration group or museum who would be willing to restore Lady to her former glory. As such, Kozul had been welcomed to the Restore the Magic team and promoted to Lead Team Member. So what went wrong?

Kozul explains in a series of tweets:

"Eric's plan was to move & purchase Lady the same day back in December... I warned him repeatedly as he was booking tickets "Don't come to LA right now, the Thomas Creek Fire is burning near Lady's location and it'd be a bad idea to move her in this weather" but he booked the tickets anyway. Lady was supposed to be moved to some kind of restoration facility, but after Eric had transferred ownership from the original owner to himself, he instead changed the plans to "Robert, find us a storage place to store Lady." So I did, and per CA rental laws you have to take out leases in person so I had to do so for Eric since he had flown back to Florida the day after he purchased Lady, so I essentially had become RTM's landlord for the storage space."

What had withheld Lady from being moved immediately to a restoration facility was the wildfires that had been spreading throughout California at the time, with was a devastating event. Some of us will recall the affect the wildfires had, particularly if you have in interest in the World of Disney's Railroads and have learned of the unfortunate loss of the Grizzly Flats Railroad Depot once owned by animator and Grizzly Flats owner Ward Kimball.

The Grizzly Flats Railroad Depot which was unfortunately lost to the California Wildfires of 2017. 

Now Lady has been relocated to a storage facility where she is being preserved until a restoration group or nearby railroad museum volunteers to restore her. Now by legal right, Kozul has to pay for leasing the storage space for Lady during the time being and the deal was that Scherer would provide the money, as stated by Kozul in a Google Docx letter he wrote:

"I, Robert Kozul, first pay for Lady’s storage with my own private funds, and then Eric forwards me the money. This is not out of choice. Eric can not legally rent or own a storage unit in California, so he needs a California citizen, such as myself, to rent and pay for the storage unit."


Lady's full-sized prop in the process of being transported.

Unfortunately Scherer seems to have a bad habit for not taking issues seriously as the letter continues to state:

"I laid out very early on to Eric that after the first two months of 50% off storage, Lady’s storage would be $303 a month, and the fact that this month’s payment is in 12 days with no payment from Eric yet means I will yet again be paying $303 out of pocket in order to keep Lady stored in her unit. 

I have been unemployed for almost 2 years and rely on Eric to hand me the payments for Lady’s storage, and considering last month it took him nearly 30 days to pay just for the prior month’s storage has given my doubt in my trust of him financially. There is no reason in this day and age why it should take so long to forward money from one account to another, and seeing as it has taken me at most 4 days to send large sums of money greater than $303 to my friends through paypal, there is no reason RTM should take a month to send $303."

Now as a team, it is the Restore the Magic's responsibility that they work in conjunction with each of their team members and fulfill their part in whatever they're involved in. As we Thomas fans have donated our money to the Restore the Magic team to provide funds for Lady's restoration we have the right to know that our money is being used for it's ideal intention. However the Restore the Magic team has been proving itself to be rather irresponsible with their end of the bargain. It started when they posted the amount on GoFundMe without vital information:

"...on Sunday, February 18th,... RTM posted their $30,000 evaluation of Lady without a price breakdown. The next morning, on the 19th, an angry mob had begun to form on Discord & Twitter. Because I had been promoting their GoFundMe on the platforms most Thomas users use, mainly Twitter & Discord. Being a public listed member, everyone came rushing to me for answers they did not have, and when I brought this to Restore the Magic, they refused to answer any immediate questions, believing the community could wait until Sunday for an FAQ video. It wasn’t until larger members of the community gave some heavy vocal backlash on Facebook, where RTM operate, that they released their figures early.

Even so, they only released the figures on Facebook, despite the external community on other platforms such as Twitter & Discord, and said figure was a lump sum, not an individual price breakdown."

It should be well-known that Thomas fans are using social media sites other than Facebook to communicate with each other. And with so many people using Twitter and Discord it should make sense that Restore the Magic should shared their messages on those platforms. So why don't they?

Secondly the figure should be a price breakdown, it helps to know what portions of the funds should go to which part of the restoration. A "lump sum" doesn't sound really like they care about the project at all. The term "lump sum" sound careless in itself; "lump" is, after all, just one letter away from "dump". Humour aside, here is the financial breakdown for Lady's restoration as of March 31st:

Custom Movie Props/Trade Show Props - $15,000-$20,000
  • Manufacture of a new chassis- $1,000, replacing the wooden plates the castors are attached to with reinforced steel to prevent further bowing/degradation of the castors. The wheels will be reworked to be motor driven as opposed to chain driven to improve performance.
  • Manufacture of 2x front lights - $2,000, $1,000 per light, to be remade from PVC tubing.
  • Manufacture of 2x 3D lady Nameplates - $500, $250 per nameplate to be lazercut.
  • Manufacture of new dome - $500 - material/methods tbd (to be determined).
  • Manufacture of new funnel top - $500 - material/methods tbd, I will aide in production with parts from our own Lady 3d model on Sodor Workshops.
  • Manufacture of new funnel base - $500 - materials/methods tbd.
  • Manufacture of new face - $2,000 - to be made from either a styrofoam/epoxy or eurothane/epoxy material, face to be resculpted based on our own 3D model.
  • Replacement of 4x castors- $500, $125 per castor wheel. A temporary frame will be constructed to hold Lady’s weight as the castors are removed.
Lady in her current storage space. 

Now there has been the good fortune that museums that have been reached out in the surrounding area are willing to aid in the restoration for Lady. Kozul shares the following volunteers: 

"The original plan... was to move Lady to the Pacific Southwest Museum in Campo, CA. They are 100% willing to transport, house, and restore Lady on their property, offering so much as to put her under their nonprofit in order to ensure a restoration grant, they just require they get 100% legal permission from Mattel to display, house, & restore Lady, with their only conditions being they wish to advertise her as an attraction to the museum, as well as to display her with her face as she behind the scenes & in the LA premier...

Additionally, I have spoken to the likes of Los Angeles Travel Town & Fillmore Railway for potential storage on their properties. Travel Town offered to store Lady on their premises at a reduced price, but without insurance sad to say. Fillmore, however, are willing to store Lady on their premises for free, but only after their director comes to inspect the prop at a date he determines as well as if they are given legal permission from Mattel to do so.
Lastly, I have been investigating local prop makers & carpenters to get a better evaluation for Lady. I’m hoping to lower the $30,000 evaluation in order for this project to succeed, and seeing as Lady isn’t a real train, hopefully I can get an evaluation that would more match one of a wooden prop in the shape of a train as opposed to a real engine."

Since March 31st, Kozul has since updated the progress by revealing his discussion with some professional prop examiners:

"I spoke to two different prop manufacturing companies who were more than eager to discuss the restoration of Lady’s prop with myself & the public. I spoke with two different evaluators, one from Custom Movie Props/Trade Show Props (same company, different sides specializing in different tasks) & a 2nd evaluator from Imagtivations...

...The plan is that while Lady is in LA, prior to any restoration she will be dismantled to the highest degree possible in order to ensure the easiest & most cost-efficient methods of transportation. Her parts will be split into two groups, her fiberglass, metal and other non-wood bits would be brought to the Pacific Southwest Museum in Campo, where the Custom Movie Props team would restore those parts on-site. Meanwhile, all wood that is still salvageable will be sent further south into Mexico for carpentry shops Custom Movie Props are partnered with for sanding/remanufacture, depending on the state of individual sections of construction. Once all the wood is prepared, it will be sent back to Campo, where Lady will be reassembled, back in her old colors, smiling as she had on the set of Magic Railroad.

Paul estimated that if the Mexico plan was taken into consideration, he’d need about $7,500 for his team working in America with the nonmetal bits & $7,500 for his connections in Mexico. His carpentry partners in Mexico would take about 4-7 days to sand the old parts & manufacture new ones.

After an hour between myself & Paul, he gave his evaluation & left. Andy from Imagivations arrived later.... in a phone call between Andy & myself, he estimated based on pictures of Lady I had sent the total job would take between $10,000-$15,000. After seeing Lady in person, however, Andy raised his evaluation to $20,000.  

...sadly Andy didn’t deliver a plan as comprehensive as Paul’s was. He just stated that $20,000 would be a fair price for the job, and that should they be hired, Lady would be worked on at the Imagivations studio here in LA. Paul had taken an hour to discuss a comprehensive plan, Andy simply agreed with Paul’s plans, gave his estimation of $20,000 in 5 minutes, & left.


Between the companies, I am more satisfied with Paul of Custom Movie Props’ evaluation, and thank him & Andy of Imagivations greatly for taking his time to discuss in full any and all solutions to get Lady cosmetically restored to her former glory, as well as for being eager to share their bids/evaluations with the public."

So at any rate the restoration of Lady would have gone through quite well, provided that Mattel grants the aforementioned museums legal permission to restore Lady. Now, there have been some gripes within the fanbase that legal permission isn't necessary for Lady as her condition as a prop and they have made their comparisons with the models used in the television show TUGS, due to the fact that they didn't require any permission to be restored and displayed to the public. I would argue, however, that Lady is a character of the Thomas and Friends brand, a brand which is still largely active in comparison with TUGS which has been discontinued for nearly 3 decades, and even though Lady has not been seen in any line of episodes or books for some time she is still a part of the brand copyright and thusly HiT Entertainment/Mattel still have ownership over her as well as the final say on her appearances in their products. After all, she has made an appearance in Calling All Engines (which, in comparison to Thomas and the Magic Railroad, was a wasted use of her role and the film would probably be no different if she wasn't in it.) 

Unfortunately the gripes concerning legal issues has been lashed out on Kozul, which isn't very fair as he did not, and cannot, determine whether or not Lady requires legal permission, it was requested by the museums mentioned above:

"The sad fact is the Pacific Southwest Museum, as well as several other organizations I’ve spoken to, won’t take Lady in unless Mattel have granted permission for the project to succeed, and as I do not have direct communication with either them or their staff, I can’t do anything to speed that decision or bring it to some kind of timely conclusion."

And if that wasn't enough here is a tweet that Kozul posted concerning discussion for Lady's potential move to Strasburg:



This also brings an example which further demonstrates Scherer's irresponsibility in this project, by not communicating with HiT before speaking with Strasburg he essentially destroyed the chance of finding a home for Lady. Speaking of Mattel, here is the latest update concerning legal permission and it bears bad news:

Bad enough that funds for Lady's current storage place is not being fulfilled but permission to allow a restoration company has been denied, partially (I suspect) owing to the previously stated miscommunication. But why the miscommunication? Why didn't Scherer reach out to Mattel? Kozul explains, as well as giving reasons why the miscommunication is a load of tripe:

"RTM have refused to talk to Mattel. They have claimed they don’t want to approach Mattel without nonprofit status as, according to them, Mattel could view them as a financial threat otherwise. My counter to this would be why would Mattel view RTM as a financial threat, and if they have already filed the nonprofit paperwork, why have they not produced proof the paperwork has been filed to Mattel, OR alternatively, now that the paperwork has been granted according to them, why have they not publicly produced the paperwork proving so?"

To add more salt to the wound Scherer has been dismissing Kozul from any further interactions and has been accusing him of being out of line in terms of the project. It has become apparent that Scherer is proving to be immature about the whole situation, not caring about the status of Lady, not taking the proper steps of tackling the project and putting the blame on Kozul, who has proven himself to be more responsible, serious, and devoted to this project. It would make sense then that if Scherer isn't going to do anything with the project, Kozul should be in charge of the project and be entitled to Lady's ownership.

One of the latest attempts to get Scherer to see the situation was a Right of Reclaim sent by Kozul:




What Kozul recieved next was completely absurd:



Restore the Magic taking legal action against Kozul, and for what?!?! Taking responsibility for Lady's restoration! Frankly Scherer has proven himself to be immature and certainly unfit for this project. Even when confronted with messages from several fans and even the Sodor Island Forums he still denies that he has any fault in this and puts the blame on Kozul, after everything the latter has done in support for Lady. I myself have reached out to Restore the Magic, strongly suggesting them to reflect on their actions:


The response I got was pretty much the same: they weren't recognizing their actions and putting the blame, once again on Kozul. This has gotten to the point where the situation is becoming an impossible and intolerable one. Evidence has shown that Restore the Magic and the Lady project need to be manned by someone who is responsible, serious, and capable of tackling the goal of these projects and Scherer has failed to prove himself. In my opinion the behavior that Scherer has been acting in is at the same level as that of P.T. Boomer, the original villain who put his personal interests above anything else and had no care for Lady's situation whatsoever.

Restore the Magic is working on projects for the Thomas Fan Community and the Thomas Fan Community has pitched in to support their campaigns, so we have the right to know what is going on in full detail. Keeping information from us is irresponsible and it encourages a sense of dishonesty as we’re not getting the whole truth of the matter. It also breaks our trust of the said people as we all have hopes and expectations. Certainly my trust of the Restore the Magic Group is being strained at the moment. As this project involves the community plans for Lady should not be kept confidential. Nothing should be kept confidential unless they were part of a Top Secret Service or Restricted Facility such as Area 51.

It's ironic, shameful and disappointing that the people who are responsible for preserving and restoring everything associated with Thomas and the Magic Railroad would also be responsible for the potential destruction for the iconic engine of the story. If they are not willing to take up the responsibility for restoring Lady, then they don't deserve the responsibility.

As far as I’m concerned there are a great number of people that need to know just how reasonably responsible they are when tackling such a big undertaking. Hierarchy and pride are just two things that could disrupt potential ideas and plans and cause everything to fall apart.

We (myself, the other Thomas fans, and Kozul) are all open for and awaiting potential solutions that would bring good luck to the situation, whether it be someone who has a storage space for Lady to keep her for the time being or someone who has the finances to pay for Lady's storage rent. Whatever the solution it is needed as soon as possible because if this problem persists, Lady risks getting scrapped by May 4th. If this becomes a reality, then you'll know who to blame. Act now!



Restore the Magic contact info:
http://restorethemagic.org/index.php/contact-us/

Robert Kozul contact info:
Gmail: robert.kozul.764@gmail.com
Twitter: https://twitter.com/rrworkshops
Discord: rrworkshops#3154

Britt Allcroft Facebook contact:
https://www.facebook.com/BrittAllcroft/

Link to Lady's GoFundMe Campaign (Use for following links below):
https://www.gofundme.com/RTM-Restore-Lady

GoFundMe Report page: https://www.gofundme.com/mvc.php?route=contact/form&pid=2991_When_should_I_report_a_campaign

GoFundMe Refund page: http://www.gofundme.com/guarantee

Tuesday, April 10, 2018

GSMR's No. 321: Confirmed information.

In one of my earlier posts I spoke about my interest in the Great Smoky Mountains Railway's coach No. 321 (the original Dillsboro before it was replaced by coach No. 6514) and the current whereabouts of it.

Photo: David Stewart
From RRPicturesarchives.net

Also in my last post I had brought up an assumption that the coach was currently located at the North Alabama Railroad Museum. I have since then dug up information that proves this assumption incorrect.

Within the past few months I went onto newspapers.com, an archive site for newspaper publishings to see what I could learn about the Great Smoky Mountains Railway. An interesting article I found was published in The Park Record for November 19, 1992. It describes a sale the Great Smoky Mountains Railway made to the Heber Valley Railroad, a sale which involved two 50 ton passenger cars and an 85 ton passenger car. It was no surprise to me that the 50 ton passenger cars were two of the ex-Delaware, Lackawanna & Western commuter coaches that once ran as the County coaches on the GSMR but the 85 ton car sparked an interest in me. Could it be No. 321? I went on the web to see if I could find out more about this car. Sure enough it was the original Dillsboro coach. 

Photo: Richard Goddard
From RRPicturesarchives.net

Now the coach was renumbered to No. 248 once it arrived at the Heber Valley Railroad but it's still the same coach. I am not able to determine the identities of the County Cars that were sold to the Heber Valley Railroad and neither did I find any leads as to where the rest might have gone (I'd originally stated that there were four of them but recently I've received information that a fifth one was actually part of the fleet, but it's unknown if it's numbered 520 or 525.)

I've also learned that the Heber Valley Railroad has since retired their coach No. 248 so it raises the question: what has happened to it? Did the railroad sell it off? Does it still stand disused in their yard? Has it been (heaven forbid) scrapped? Information would be very much appreciated.

I've often imagined the possibilities of this coach one day return to the Great Smoky Mountains and rejoin its fellow ex-Clinchfield companion coaches. Don't know if it'll ever happen but one can dream, can't they?

Tuesday, August 29, 2017

The name of GSMR's second No. 521 coach.

It's very important to preserve facts about... well, anything, otherwise those facts may end up being very obscure or lost forever. That's why it takes someone or some people to gather as many artifacts they can find to preserve and share history. My research on the Great Smoky Mountains Railway is such an example. I've faced many challenges in doing my research, finding out information on the ex-Bear Creek Junction Scenic Railway Kodak cars are the most difficult, being near impossible to acquire their names and numbers. Probably the second most challenging task was finding out info on the rake of coaches I call the "County" coaches. These are clerestory coaches that are of the same model, from the same railway, and with names after the counties the GSMR runs through.

However, not all of them were named after counties. There were four in total, and there were two variants of them. The first variants were originally Delaware, Lackawanna & Western commuter coaches that are so commonplace at heritage sites throughout the Northeastern corridor (yet despite this there are no HO scale models of them available). Great Smoky Mountains Railway acquired four of them from the Blue Mountain and Reading Railroad (which owns several coaches of this type and still do!). This information I would have never found out had I not acquired a copy of Gleeful Production's Great Smoky Mountains Railway VHS.

As I've mentioned in my first post about GSMR coaches, these ex-DL&W coaches were named after counties that the GSMR ran through and were originally numbered in the 300 series but had to be changed to the 500 series because the GSMR had already acquired coaches in the 300 series prior, sharing too many similar numbers. BM&R's 322 became GSMR's 522 Jackson County, BM&R 323 became GSMR 523 Cherokee County, and BM&R 324 became GSMR 524 Haywood County. The railway also acquired a No. 321 from BM&R and renumbered it to 521. This coach does have a name, but what amount of footage I have of it is impossible to use as a reference:

A couple of weeks ago I saw a listing on eBay for a collection of vintage GSMR photo negatives taken in 1992, one of them depicts No. 521. These negatives were removed from eBay quite early on by the seller but I'm trying to reach out to them to see if I can acquire them or not.

Now, the chairman of the railway at the time, Malcolm MacNeil, had a dislike towards the clerestory coaches, due to these having a higher center of gravity. This is why you don't see many of them today at the GSMR as he sold them off. I can only assume that he thought if he could get a different model of clerestory coaches, it might make a different. This is where the second variants come in. These coaches were built for Canadian National in the 1920s and of a more ubiquitous model than the DL&W commuter coaches. Four CN coaches were acquired by GSMR from, as far as I'm aware, the Potomac Eagle Scenic Railroad. These coaches had their numbers traded with the DL&W coaches as they're practically the same. The names were changed slightly. No. 522 and No. 523 still retained Jackson County and Cherokee County respectively, but No. 524's name was changed to Swain County.

For a long time I had no idea what the name of No. 521 was, and with good reason. The only available source of info is far from crystal clear:

One day I happened to pick up a brochure I got in 2003 for the Raft & Rail trip, in which the GSMR ran rafting trips in conjunction with the Wildwater Ltd. rafting company. "Wildwater Ltd." It looked like a very possible match (and the only good match available) with the lettering in the above screenshot. It makes sense as well, since the GSMR hosts a lot of rafting packages on their train schedules. So I can officially declare that the second variant Coach No. 521 was named Wildwater Ltd. What I can't determine is that there is a subtitle underneath the Wildwater Ltd. to which I can find no suitable match as of now, so that in itself is a bit of a mystery. What I can tell from the screenshot is that the subtitle seems to comprise of a C_______ of C________.

No. 521 Wildwater Ltd. no longer resides at GSMR, and neither does No. 524 Swain County, but you can still see No. 522 Jackson County and No. 523 Cherokee County at the Great Smoky Mountains Railroad, albeit their names shortened to Jackson and Cherokee.

Wednesday, February 8, 2017

GSMR's No. 321 found?

If any of you may recall from my first post on the Great Smoky Mountains Railway (the one on the coaches) I spoke about a coach numbered 321. This was the first Dillsboro coach, a heavyweight clerestory coach built for the Louisville and Nashville Railroad. It was originally numbered 2576.

Photo: David Stewart
From RRPicturesarchives.net

Dillsboro is a unique coach with a design that's hard to find in a coach model, both full-sized and in HO scale. It was used on the Clinchfield Steam Specials as No. 110, the Chessie Safety Express as No. 5 and then on the Seaboard System Railroad as No. 321. Dillsboro arrived on the Great Smoky Mountains Railway in late Autumn of 1988 along with No. 320 Sylva, No. 322 Bryson City, and No. 324 Murphy. It was used quite frequently on the GSMR from 1988 to circa 1993. It had even been used on Steam Engine No. 1702's first run on November 1, 1991. It was sold around 1993. The reasons being that the then owner of the railway, Malcolm MacNeil, disliked the clerestory coaches because of their higher center of gravity. Thusly Dillsboro was replaced and it's namesake given to coach No. 6514. Now where the coaches sold by GSMR have gone is a mystery; no one knows for sure which railway they've been given to. No. 321 is no exception. I've painstakingly scoured across the Internet to see what I could find.

So what I able to find anything?

Well I do have somewhat of a lead; it may not be much but it's the best I've got. There is a coach located at the North Alabama Railroad Museum that has been rusting away on a siding. The museum claims it to be L&N No. 2573. Whilst they got the railway of origin right, I'm inclined to think that this is actually coach No. 2576, or in case: GSMR No. 321.

Photo: Dave Mullison
From RRPicturesarchives.net

Now when comparing this image with the one farther up, you might think to youself: "What? How can that be the same coach? The window arrangements are different." That's true: the window arrangements are different but only because you're seeing one side of the 321. Now look at these screenshots from a video on the GSMR:

These screenshots show the other side of the Dillsboro and if you count the number of windows carefully you'll find that it has the same number as well as the same arrangement as the coach at the North Alabama Railroad Museum. And maybe the NARM coach might have the same arrangement on the other side as the one on the Dillsboro in the first image. "But!" I hear you cry, "The windows on both cars look different. Dillsboro looks like it has framed windows, the NARM coach doesn't." That's also true but I believe the frames on the coach can be easily removable, they're only stuck on for decoration to make it look fancy. The 320, 322, and 324 also appeared to have frames on their windows once upon a time. Now let me give you the big hint as to why I believe the coach at the NARM is actually No. 321: the doors. Have a look at this photograph of the 321 as it appeared on the Clinchfield.


Now compared it with the images above of the 321 on the GSMR and the coach at the NARM. On the Clinchfield the 110 has full doors, on the GSMR the 321 looks like its doors have been cut in half, to let the passengers experience the mountain air, and at the NARM the coach looks like it has whole doors, but wait! There's a seem running across the door at the halfway point. Let me post these images down again for clarification:

Could it be that the coach on the North Alabama Railroad Museum is actually the original 321 Dillsboro? It seems very likely given the evidence. I don't know what the museum has to say about it themselves; I doubt if they even know where this coach has been through. Perhaps one day I'll journey down there to see for myself or someone else might be able to find out for me. But until then here's hoping that it is the 321 and here's imagining it reunited with it's fellow coaches on the GSMR. 

Model Railroading - Indian Valley Railway's No. 2716 Conversion - Intro


The Indian Valley Railway is a primary sub-focus in the Magic Railroad Adventures. Not all the adventures focus on the railway, but they revolve around the railway as it runs through the little valley railroad town of Shining Time. Though heavily based on the original Indian Valley Railroad of California, the Great Smoky Mountains Railway, Grand Canyon Railway, Western Maryland Scenic Railway and the Strasburg Railroad (to name a few) the IVR of the Magic Railroad Adventures has a wide roster of locomotives that are based on many real-life locomotives that we are so familiar with. One such engine is the Van Sweringen K-4 class 2-8-4 "Kanawha" type locomotive No. 2716.

Photo: Ron Flanny

Part of a fleet of locomotives most common of the Chesapeake and Ohio Railroad, the 2716 is arguably most recognizable in it's Southern Railroad guise as part of the Steam Program in 1981-83. Though it's involvement was short-lived it none-the-less gained a wide-spread fame amongst railroader fans, giving an impression as to what a Southern Railroad Berkshire locomotive would have looked like. So there's no question about my decision to feature this engine in the MRA in it's Southern Railroad guise. 

Shining Time Station is well-known for featuring footage of real engines (like the Grand Canyon's 18, Chessie System's 2101, Norfolk & Western's 611, and most famously Union Pacific's 8444) and shooting real locomotives (such as South Simcoe's 136 and Strasburg's 475). The Magic Railroad Adventures follows that tradition by featuring HO scale replicas of these famous locomotives. Key Model Imports once released an accurate representation of Southern 2716, but that was a long while ago and finding such a model would be very costly indeed. 


However Bachmann Trains has released HO models of the Van Sweringen Berkshires in three forms; the Nickel Plate Road form, the Pere Marquette form, and the C&O form. I was fortunate enough to find a C&O Berkshire, unlettered, on eBay for a decent amount. 



 Over time this engine will take on the appearance of the actual SOU 2716. I will keep everyone updated on the progress that will commence. Next time: the pilot. 


Wednesday, December 7, 2016

Great Smoky Mountains Railway Coaches


The Great Smoky Mountains Railway is one of my favorite railways of the United States, especially during its early years in the 1980s and 1990s (which I refer to as the "Vintage" or "Golden" days). As most of you have probably guessed, it serves as the main influence of the Indian Valley Railway in The Magic Railroad Adventures Series. However, unlike other railways like the Grand Canyon Railway and the Durango and Silverton, a detailed coverage of the Great Smoky Mountains Railway's early days, locomotives, rolling stock and other stats is very hard to come by and because of that, many people are not aware of it as they ought to be. This is a shame because there are so many facts that may interest railroad buffs and GSMR fans. So I'd like to share some of those facts with everyone. In this essay, I will talk about the coaches.

The Very First Coaches


Now when it comes to starting a tourist operation on a railway, you have to make sure that you have all the necessary equipment and a definitive date to start the passenger season. Great Smoky Mountains Railway did plan to start tourism in spring of 1989 but popular interest took the date back by a few months into October of 1988. (Note: in those days the Great Smoky Mountains Railway was known as the Great Smoky Mountains Railway Inc. and was made up of a group of investors led by Malcolm MacNeil and his former son-in-law, Doug Ellis.



They didn't even own the track; the State of North Carolina owned it until 1996 when they sold the line between Dillsboro and Andrews to the company.)

Anyway the railway, by that time, already had two diesels (more on the engines another time) to manage the freight deliveries but they didn't have any passenger stock whatsoever. So what to do? They went to a railway practically next door to the Murphy Branch: the Bear Creek Junction Railroad. Now the Bear Creek Junction was a tourist line that ran on the right-of-way of the old Graham County Logging Railroad from Topton to Robbinsville. (Side-note: The Bear Creek Junction Railroad is the main reason why Shay No. 1225 survives to this day).


The tourist line operated from 1966 to 1987 and was subsequently torn up, but two of their open air cars, built from 40 ft. mill flats, were saved and purchased by the Great Smoky Mountains Railway.

It's not known if these two cars (also known as Kodak Cars because of obvious reasons; I also call them "River" coaches because they were named after rivers) carried names and numbers on the GSMR and if so, what they were. What is known is that these two cars became the pattern for GSMR to build Kodak cars for themselves, these ones out of ex-N&W 60 ft. flat cars. These longer cars, perfect for GSMR's operations, are known as No. 513 Oconaluftee, and No. 556 Tuckasegee

All four cars were used during the months of October and November, starting on the 17 on a trip from Murphy to Andrews (the Valley River Excursion). I'm unsure what happened to the 40 ft. Kodaks so I assume they were either dismantled or sold to another railway. No. 513 Oconaluftee, and No. 556 Tuckasegee stood on the sidings at Dillsboro for several years and have now been dismantled.

The "Town" Cars
For winter of 1988, the Great Smoky Mountains Railway used the money they earned from their fall tourist trips to purchase passenger cars to use all-year round. These I call the "Town" Coaches because they were named after towns. Each coach has a history of its own that's similar to the rest of them. 


Built in 1921, Sylva is a heavyweight coach with three axle trucks. It started service on the Nashville, Chattanooga & St. Louis as No. 1100. It was later used by the Louisville and Nashville as No. 2589 and then further used on the Clinchfield Steam Specials as No. 102 and the Chessie Safety Express as No. 6. It was then used on the Seaboard System Railroad as No. 320.

This was the original Dillsboro coach. It is a heavyweight coach with three axle wheels. Unlike the other “town” coaches, Dillsboro is a clerestory coach that originally started service as Louisville & Nashville 2576. It was later used on the Clinchfield Steam Specials as No. 110, the Chessie Safety Express as No. 5 and then on the Seaboard System Railroad as No. 321. Great Smoky Mountains Railway sold No. 321 in (I'm assuming) 1993. I have no idea where it is now, but I'm interested in knowing its whereabouts so if anyone knows, feel free to share.

Built in 1921, Bryson City is another heavyweight coach with three axle trucks. It started service on the Nashville, Chattanooga & St. Louis as No. 742. It was later used by the Louisville and Nashville as No. 2587 and then further used on the Clinchfield Steam Specials as No. 111 and the Chessie Safety Express as No. 8. It was then used on the Seaboard System Railroad as No. 322. 


Of course this coach no longer carries the name Murphy. It was renamed to Pee-Wee Watson in 1995 after an old GSMR conductor and after the Valley River excursions stopped. It is now called Pee-Wee. Built in 1921, Pee-Wee is another heavyweight coach with three axle trucks. It started service on the Nashville, Chattanooga & St. Louis as No. 741. It was later used by the Louisville and Nashville as No. 2586 and then further used on the Clinchfield Steam Specials as No. 107. It was then used on the Seaboard System Railroad as No. 324.


This next coach wasn't purchased with the four aforementioned coaches (it was purchased much later in the mid-1990s) but it's on this list because it's still named after a town. 
This coach was built for the Chicago and Northwestern in 1952 and was numbered 553. It was later acquired by the Wisconsin and Calumet Railroad and renumbered 6514. It was acquired by the Great Smoky Mountains Railway with another coach that was never restored. No. 6514 takes the name of coach No. 321 after its sale. Interestingly when painted in the GSMR's standard livery of the 1980s-1990s they never painted the number on this coach; the number was painted on after 2000. Perhaps they were considering taking the number off of the No. 321 as well?



More "River" Coaches
Believe it or not, there were eight Kodak cars in total on the GSMR. Apart from the 40 ft. Kodaks and the Oconaluftee and Tuckasegee, there were three more Kodaks built in 1989 (again out of 60 ft. N&W flatbeds) and a fourth in 1990 (this time out of a 50 ft. SOU box car). 1989 was the year when Great Smoky Mountains Railway really got into the business; purchasing and building more rolling stock, touching up and building their stations, and establishing itself as an actual railway company.

The three new 60 ft. Kodaks were built with the same design patterns as the other two, but improved their appearances even more with their roof posts being aligned evenly. 
Two of these Kodaks were known as No. 538 Valley River and No. 595 Nantahala. The third one was named Hiwassee but the number remains unknown. There are no photos on the Internet of these three Kodaks and what video screen-shots I have of the Hiwassee are useless in providing its number. Sadly these three Kodaks were dismantled in the late 1990s after more robust open air cars were provided. 

The box car Kodak was known as No. 697 Alarka Creek and was originally built in 1971. Great Smoky Mountains Railway converted it by cutting it in half, filling in the space were the sliding doors once were, and installing roof beams and stairs. It was a more comfortable Kodak than the other ones as it featured cushioned benches and (would you believe it) a can-crusher! GSMR sold the Alarka Creek to the Blue Ridge Scenic Railroad in 1998 where it received many modifications to increase accessibility for the passengers. It left that roster in 2009 and it is unknown where that coach currently is. 

The "County" Coaches

 For a long time I always believed these coaches to have been Canadian National coaches purchased from the Blue Mountain and Reading Railroad from the start but recently I discovered that the CN coaches are only the second generation of the "County" coaches. The first generation were actually ex-Delaware, Lackawanna and Western Coaches which makes more sense due to their appearances (Blue Mountain and Reading also used quite a number of these coaches). Now, originally when the first generation coaches arrived, they were numbered as Nos. 321, 322, 323, and 324, but since the "Town" coaches were already using three of those same numbers GSMR simply replaced the first digit, 3, to 5, making the coaches Nos. 521, 522, 523, and 524. I wish I could tell you the name of No. 521 but again, no photographic evidence of this coach exists on the Internet and what video screen-shots I have are practically useless to me. 

The other three are much easier to tell: No. 522 Jackson County, No. 523 Cherokee County, and No. 524 Haywood County.

So with facts made clear about the first and second generations of the "County" coaches the question must be asked: what's with all the changes? To explain I went to the GSMR in the Summer of this year (2016). Having a nice chat with the crew of No. 1702 about their rolling stock of the past (given that I asked about the 1990s and this is now 2016 it was hard for them to recall but I gave them a break) I actually learned that Malcolm MacNeil disliked the clerestory coaches because of their higher center of gravity. This explains why No. 321 Dillsboro was sold, why only two clerestory coaches now remain on the GSMR and possibly why the switches were made. I assume that Malcolm initially disliked the ex-DL&W coaches and thought that if he could get other clerestory coaches that were of different build that would solve his problem. So in 1992-1993 he replaced the DL&W coaches with ex-CN coaches which I think (and I have no confirmation on this yet) were purchased from the Potomac Eagle Scenic Railroad. I give this theory because GSMR leased many coaches from the Potomac Eagle at the time, Pere Marquette's Eagle Canon and Atlantic Coast Line No. 257 for examples. 

Nos. 522 and 523 retained their original names but Nos. 521 and 524 seems to have their names changed. No. 524 became Swain County. No. 521's original name is still unknown but having done a bit of research, I've learned that the second No. 521 was named after the Wildwater Ltd., which hosts rafting trips along the Nantahala River. The screen-shot below of this Youtube video is unfortunately in poor quality, but you can barely make out the "Wildwater Ltd." name, however the subtitle below it is still unknown: 




Of course Malcolm's plan backfired and he sold both Nos. 521 and 524 by the end of the 1990s. Their whereabouts, as well as those of the original DL&W coaches, are unknown. Coaches Nos. 522 and 523 still remain on the GSMR today but their names have been shortened to Jackson and Cherokee

Open Air Cars
In 1993 the Great Smoky Mountains Railway purchased a great number of baggage cars and coaches and converted them into open air cars. Being longer and more structurally robust these coaches became more used than the 60 ft. wooden Kodaks and the Alarka Creek and put them all out of service. The majority of these coaches use names taken from town landmarks but a small number were named after people, lakes and rivers. 


These cars were built in 1959 as 70 ft. baggage cars for Kansas City Southern. They were converted by Great Smoky Mountains Railway in 1993. One of these was named after GSMR road foreman John Norcross but has since been renamed.

I honestly don't know the origin of these two Open Air cars. Some say they're also 70 ft. baggage cars but I highly doubt that since these cars look (to me) slightly longer than the previous five Open Air cars. Something of note is that their designs differ from the previous five open air cars. The links will show you what I mean. 


This car was originally a coach built for the Delaware, Lackawanna & Western as No. 311. It was later used on the Erie Lackawanna as No. 1311, Penn Central as No. 2182, Long Island as No. 2182, and Maryland Midland as No. 83. It takes the name from Kodak Car No. 595 when the latter was dismantled.  

"Historic Train" coaches
Now these coaches were all named after famous trains that they once ran on during the Golden Age of Railroading. Many of them were kept in their original colors and not repainted to any GSMR liveries when they first arrived. That changed in 2000 when they adapted the new livery. 


These coaches are heavyweight coaches built for the Southern Railway as Nos. 1042 and 1043 respectively. They were later used on Conrail as office cars Nos. 25 and 26 before arriving at the Great Smoky Mountains Railway in 1990. No. 25's name has been shortened to Piedmont

Note: Sometime in the early 1990s (approx 1992-1993) the Great Smoky Mountains Railway decided to experiment with an alternative livery and painted three coaches and a caboose blue and silver with a black stripe. Coaches No. 25 Piedmont Limited, No. 26 Southland, and No. 4102 Panama Limited were the selected coaches to wear this livery. 


This club car was built in the 1940s and was actually used first on the Norfolk and Western’s Pocahontas express train. It was then latter used on the Powhattan Arrow and then on Norfolk Southern’s Steam Excursion Program. It was purchased by the Great Smoky Mountains Railway at an auction in 1995 and has been renamed The MacNeil Club Car, later shortened to MacNeil.


This coach was built for Southern Railway and was later used on the Norfolk Southern after merging with the Norfolk and Western. It was acquired by the Great Smoky Mountains Railway and received recognition for being used in “My Fellow Americans”. 


This coach was built for the Texas and Pacific Railroad as No. 1143. It was then used on the Northwestern Oklahoma as No. 9 and then the NGA as No. 1103. It arrived on the Great Smoky Mountains Railway and was numbered 6110 but was later renumbered back to 1103 as the railway already owns a caboose No. 6110 (Generator Car No.2). The Crescent Limited has received recognition for being used in “My Fellow Americans”. 


This club car was built in 1940 for the Atlantic Coast Line as No. 252. It is distinctive by its squared-off observation end. It was later purchased by the Seaboard Coast Line and was used as No. 5831 on the Silver Meteor train. Amtrak acquired it and renumbered it to its current number. It then used on the American Zephyr excursion until purchased by the Great Smoky Mountains Railway in 1994. In recent years it has been renamed the Carolina Shine and is now exclusive for moonshine parties. 


This was a diner/kitchen car originally used on the Illinois Central on their Panama Limited train. It was then used on the Wisconsin and Calumet Railroad before seeing service on the Great Smoky Mountains Railway. It was repainted in the railway’s alternate livery of Blue and Silver with a black stripe. Panama Limited has left the roster, its whereabouts unknown. 


This diner was built in 1940 for the Seaboard Airline and was numbered 6110. It was later used on the Seaboard Coast Line after merger with the Atlantic Coast Line and ran on the Silver Meteor train as No. 5915. It was then acquired by Amtrak and registered as its current number. It ran on the American Zephyr before being purchased by the Great Smoky Mountains Railway in 1994. 


This diner was built as a bar lounge in 1949 for the Pennsylvania Railroad. It was originally numbered 4622. It was later used on the Penn Central after the Pennsy merged with the New York Central Railroad. In 1976 the coach was sold to Amtrak where it was renumbered to 8806. Great Smoky Mountains Railway acquired the coach in 1994. In 2010 it was renamed to Harper in honor of the current owners of the railway and chairpersons of American Heritage Railways, Allen and Carol Harper.


Though it does not have the name of a famous train, this coach is still on the list because it shares its heritage with No. 8806. No. 8807 is believed to have run on the Atlantic Coast Line, but this kitchen/dormitory car actually ran on the Pennsylvania Railroad as number 4623. It was built in 1949. The coach was later used by the Penn Central and then on Amtrak where it was registered as No. 8807. Great Smoky Mountains Railway acquired the coach in 1997 and converted it into a Café/Gift Shop car.


To sum up then here is the complete list of coaches used on the GSMR:

Kodak Car Variant 1:
  • ex-N&W Kodak: No. 513 Oconaluftee (Out of service)
  • ex-N&W Kodak: No. 556 Tuckasegee (Out of service)

"Town" Coaches:
  • ex-NC&St.L Coach: No. 320 Sylva
  • ex-L&N Coach: No. 321 Dillsboro (Sold)
  • ex-NC&St.L Coach: No. 322 Bryson City
  • ex-NC&St.L Coach: No. 324 Murphy (now Pee-Wee)
  • ex-C&NW Coach: No. 6514 Dillsboro

Kodak Car Variant 2:
  • ex-N&W Kodak: No. 538 Valley River (Dismantled)
  • ex-N&W Kodak: No. 595 Nantahala (Dismantled)

"County" Coaches Generation 1:
  • ex-DL&W Coach: No. 522 Jackson County (Sold)
  • ex-DL&W Coach: No. 523 Cherokee County (Sold)
  • ex-DL&W Coach: No. 524 Haywood County (Sold)

Kodak Car Variant 4:
  • ex-SOU Kodak: No. 697 Alarka Creek (Sold)

"County" Coaches Generation 2:
  • ex-CN Coach: No. 521 Wildwater Ltd. (Sold)
  • ex-CN Coach: No. 522 Jackson County
  • ex-CN Coach: No. 523 Cherokee County
  • ex-CN Coach: No. 524 Swain County (Sold)
Open Air Cars Variant 1:
  • ex-KCS Open Air: No. 30 Whittier
  • ex-KCS Open Air: No. 31 Almond
  • ex-KCS Open Air: No. 32 James ‘Sarge’ Revis
  • ex-KCS Open Air: No. 33 Topton
  • ex-KCS Open Air: No. 34 Olivine Shop

Open Air Cars Variant 2:
  • Open Air: No. 35 Fontana
  • Open Air: No. 36 Wildwater
  • ex-DL&W Open Air: No. 37 Nantahala

"Historic Train" coaches
  • ex-SOU Coach: No. 25 Piedmont Ltd.
  • ex-SOU Coach: No. 26 Southland 
  • ex-N&W Coach: No. 536 Powhattan Arrow (now MacNeil)   
  • ex-SOU Coach: No. 841 Royal Palm
  • ex-T&P Coach: No. 1103 (ex-No. 6118) Crescent Ltd
  • ex-ACL Coach: No. 3331 Champion (now Carolina Shine)
  • ex-IC Coach: No. 4102 Panama Ltd.
  • ex-SAL Coach: No. 8015 Silver Meteor
  • ex-PRR Coach: No. 8806 Dixie Flyer (now Harper)
  • ex-PRR Coach: No. 8807 Conductor’s Café

Unidentified coaches:
  • ex-GCRR Kodak: No. ? ? (Sold or dismantled)
  • ex-GCRR Kodak: No. ? ? (Sold or dismantled)
  • ex-N&W Kodak: No. ? Hiwassee (Dismantled)
  • ex-DL&W Coach: No. 521 ? (Sold)


I tell you it wasn't easy doing all of this extensive research and as you can tell I'm still not done with it, but still it's all rather fun to do. Much of this information wouldn't have been possible without references and here are the ones that I used: 

Publications:
  • Wrinn, Jim, "Revival for the Murphy Branch: How Great Smoky Mountains Railway became a big-volume tourist-hauler," Trains, February 1993, P. 44-47
  • George, Michael, Southern Railway's Murphy Branch, Collegedale, TN, The College Press, 1996
  • George, Michael and Frank Strack, Passage Through Time: The Official Guidebook, Collegedale, TN, The College Press, 2000
  • Smith, Larry E., "The Great Smoky Mountains Railway Part III: Modeling the Railroad," Model Railroading, May 1996, P. 28-29

Video Footage: 
  • Great Smoky Mountains Railway Souvenir Video. Directed by David Womick, Smoky Mountains Productions, 1992. 
  • Great Smoky Mountains Railway. Directed by Don L. Swaim, Gleeful Productions, 1992. 
  • Great Scenic Railway Journeys: The Great Smoky Mountains Railway. Directed by Robert C. Van Camp, RVC Video Productions, 1994. 
  • 1702 on the Great Smoky Mountains Railway. Directed by Ron Loving and Mike Noonkester, Main Line Motion Pictures, 1997. 
  • RFW819 "Great Smoky Mountains Railway # 1702 on June 19,1996," YouTube, Apr 6, 2012, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYgfTeQcosk 
Special thanks goes to the employees of the Great Smoky Mountains Railway for their information. 

If anyone has any information they'd like to contribute, such as information on the unidentified coaches or the whereabouts of the coaches sold off, feel free to share. That's all for now, maybe I'll share some more info on the GSMR in another blog post. Cheerio!